Michael Jackson 2nd After the Beatles; Elvis Presley 3rd That’s Reality

[Dangerous Incorporated]

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Michael Jackson 2nd after the Beatles; Elvis Presley 3rd that’s reality


When it comes to Pop and Rock n Roll, you do not get much bigger than the names of Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley and The Beatles but few music goers agree on the biggest of them all.
I have heard a few music fans claim that Michael Jackson is second after The Beatles and Elvis Presley would make third. Is this really reality?


One such fan going by the name of “illmatic” makes this claim below in response to “Michael Jackson King Of Pop vs. Elvis Presley King Of Rock” but how true is it.
I can’t believe all the bull that was written in all these comments. I am seriously flabbergasted. Well for one, in response to the person above me, Michael Jackson never whined that he should be called the King of Pop. He never even proclaimed him self as such, it was a title from the fans and his friends.
Elvis fans still think he really sold 1 billion records> If that were true, why isn’t he the number one artist dominate in all the lists? I haven’t seen his name in the Guinness Worlds Records, have you? Thats cause he’s not, sorry bb. Michael is #2 right after the Beatles, Elvis is #3. Let me come out and just bring everyone up to reality — “Before anyone did anything, Elvis did everything” IS BULL. Elvis one of a kind? Perhaps a caricature of many “kinds”. Elvis and the people behind him stole the image, mannerisms, and styles of other artist. Most of Elvis’ music wasn’t even written by him, and the songwriter who did write them died broke.
And that songwriter was Otis Blackwell, one the greatest American songwriters ever wrote Elvis biggest hits (Don’t Be Cruel, All Shook Up, Return to Sender). Not only did he write them - Elvis copied the arrangement, the style, the vocal mannerisms, and claimed he co-wrote the songs along with Blackwell (at least Elvis’ name was on the record as co-writer).

In truth it was Blackwell’s influence that helped put Elvis on the top of the R&B and pop charts (at the same time) yet Elvis never bothered to even meet him. Unfortunately for Blackwell - sold Elvis’ biggest hits for $25 each. He was the ’soul’ of Elvis Presley - and no one ever heard of him, and he died penniless in 2002. Blackwell also wrote “Fever”, “Great Balls of Fire” (Jerry Lee Lewis’ signature tune), “Breathless”, “Let’s Talk About Us” (two more Jerry Lee Lewis hits).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otis_Blackwell
Blackwell (nor his family) ever saw a penny of the publishing royalties that helped build his empire; and that Elvis’ wife Priscilla and daughter Lisa Marie Presley are reaping the benefits from to this day. No one would of signed her a record deal if she wasn’t the daughter of The King, nor would her homely looking daughter Riley would become a model if The King wasn’t her grandfather. Luckily for her, she still has a hint of the Elvis resemblance in her face.
Why do you think Colonel Parker (his manager) made sure Elvis’ name was on the records as co-writer? Publishing rights. And publishing rights mean big money $$$. Little Richard was cheated out of a lot of royalties on most of his work. Remember Michael Jackson’s wonderful gesture to Little Richard? He bought the publishing rights to his music and GAVE it to him. It made Little Richard cry tears of joy. That is something to be respected.
Elvis was and is a media creation, and his image and life, has been white washed greatly sense his death. People have been brainwashed, by constant talk of his supposed “greatness”. Today Elvis’ legacy is little more than a pop cultural reference. His face is on mugs, stuffed pigs are made in his image, and various other commercial junk. That is all Elvis deserves, and nothing more. They continually throw him up, in response to the greatness of others, but there is absolutely no comparison. This is not about Elvis, but about a system that attempted to bury the legacy of many artists, and continues, to attempt to pump up something, that never was in the first place.
Michael Jackson was THE innovator by far, and although he was inspired by others (Elvis NOT being one of them, but I’ll get into that later) he didn’t totally take on their image, and make a career off it like Elvis Presley did. So there is no comparison. What did Elvis innovate, other than putting an “acceptable” face on the work of other artists? He was a created talented, a singing puppet, and is severely overrated. He did not invent anything, everything he “did” was already done and better. All of his peers Jackie Wilson, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, James Brown and so on are vastly superior.
It was never my intention to come here and bash Elvis Presley. But when I read the laughable comments I really feel compelled to give a virtual slap to people who seemingly haven’t had a clue on what they are articulating (or trying to). Elvis Presley was talented in the same way Justin Timberlake is “talented”. Almost like a modern day equivalent, I wonder how Timberlake would of weathered without his black producers and song writers like Pharrell Williams and Timothy “Timbaland” Mosley for example?
1. The majority if not all of Michael Jackson’s classic songs were written, produced and composed by himself. He is not just a “Pop” artist. In fact, that is laughable. In his adolescence, he was on Motown records (with his brothers) singing unmistakable soul/funk music. In his adult solo career, his debut album ‘Off the Wall’ was disco/funk as well. His music did not generally did not be referred to as “Pop” until ‘Thriller’ although he still covers many genres throughout his career. To make the point this Presley sung this and that [style] is ridiculous, as if Jackson did not himself. ‘Dangerous’ for example was a notable New Jack Swing themed album, but with elements of rock (Slash from Guns and Roses working with Jackson on two tracks) as ‘Thriller’. Eddie Van Halen’s famous solo in ‘Beat It’ was composed by Jackson. To turn a blind eye or ignore to all of the versatility Jackson possesses in music is laughable.
2. Michael Jackson was never influenced by Elvis Presley, or had “took” some of his “dance moves” as someone tried their hardest to insinuate. Why not? Because Elvis Presley didn’t have any to speak of. Michael Jackson was influenced by cats like Jackie Wilson, James Brown, Sammy Davis Jr., all of Elvis’ peers whom HE copied off of. So if you think ‘even Jacko copied some Elvis moves’ I assure you, and I don’t mean to disappoint but, a move was watered down from the Elvis filter that was again, originated from a true trendsetter like Brown. Speaking of the Godfather of Soul, Jackson has spoken of him fondly for decades and Mr. Brown has acknowledged him (and Prince) many a times.
3. Actually, this number isn’t really a point I’m just still laughing at people who think Elvis is original.
4. Michael Jackson has a phenomenal voice, he very underrated as a singer. Unique, rich and lovely when you used to sing live in his prime. He had a voice on him even in his adolescence. What Jackson possesses is a rare talent, and has been exuded since practically his birth. Now, admittedly I skimmed through yet another comment that may have you believe that Michael Jackson of all people relied on stage tricks to impress audiences. LOL! Right. Jackson is typically by himself when solo [or accompanied by his brothers in a group of his siblings] with the band. That is all.
Highly practiced dance moves. If that was said to imply that they were to be regarded as “mechanical” that couldn’t be any more wrong. Jackson has a natural talent for dance (and music in general) as well as his brothers, who self taught the instruments they played. In their Motown audition, the Jackson 5 performed ‘I Got That Feeling’ by James Brown and blew Berry Gordy, Diana Ross and the Motown family away and were signed. If you mean he was highly practiced as in hard working? HELL YES. Far from a negative thing. He has been doing this since he was 5 and hasn’t looked back since.
5. Neither Presley or Jackson had any sense of style. Though both have recognizable, iconic and ’signature’ wardrobe.
6. Elvis obviously held what the ideal handsome Caucasian man of his time generation was considered, as Marilyn Monroe did, blonde, even though she herself was truly your Norma Jean; a cute girl with red-brownish hair. Both had their nose reshaped (in both accounts, unnecessary like all of whom go under the knife) where as Elizabeth Taylor held a more natural beauty, although both women were gorgeous. So while I agree that Elvis was good looking and “sexy” I would not go crazy over him either.
When speaking about sex appeal and attraction regarding Michael Jackson it seems unfathomably, for most people if not all no longer associate those words and attributes with Jackson since the 80s (and slightly in the early 90s). I will disregard the way he looks now, given that he has modified his natural looks and ruined his face. Michael Jackson used to be a gorgeous looking man. He was very slim and soft spoken, which is not looked upon as desirable since they are not typical masculine traits, but thats what many young girls and women found him alluring at the time (watch The Making of Thriller ‘the fans’ segment to see what I’m talking about!). He had caramel brown skin, beautiful brown eyes, a nose that need not been modified, at least not approximately 7 times over, the most beautiful smile (that his sister Janet Jackson too has) and even had a jheri curl that was tolerable.
7. In his prime, during tours like “Destiny” “Triumph” “Victory” “Bad” and “Dangerous” he sang live, his vocals rich and clear, he danced with as much energy as his mentor James Brown, fluidity in his smooths dance steps moves that not Elvis or anyone to this day cannot touch as a performer — and he did this all without sounding off key, a single crack or maybe out of breath by the second verse. I have not seen Elvis live, so I won’t comment by default since that is not fair.
Don’t believe me on Jackson? The greats certainly do.
Fred Astaire and Jackson, 1984

Jackson dedicated his autobiography ‘Moonwalk’ in 1988 to Astaire.

“Oh, God! That boy moves in a very exceptional way. That’s the greatest dancer of the century”.
“I didn’t want to leave this world without knowing who my descendant was. Thank you Michael!”
- Fred Astaire.
Fred Astaire, one of the greatest dancers of all time how much merit and honor. The day after Jackson’s legendary Motown 25 performance when he performed ‘Billie Jean’ for the first time, Astaire phoned him, informed him he had not only taped the show but watched it twice that morning, and he was a HELL of a dancer!
“The only male singer who I’ve seen besides myself and who’s better than me - that is Michael Jackson.”
- Frank Sinatra
Sinatra and Jackson in 1984

Jackson impersonating Sinatra at a very young age, during a skit with Diana Ross in 1969.

Jackson performs ‘Get Happy’ at The Jacksons Variety Show (1977).
watch the video here
The Jackson 5 audition for Motown and perform ‘I Got That Feeling’
watch the video here
And with that, I am finally finished. I hope you learned a few things!
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[madamgeneva]

Cool piece, was an interesting read indeed, as great as elvis is... mike wins all categories!

[Marni]

Great article.

Although I don't agree with some points- I feel the writer is too harsh on Elvis- he DID have talent and was obviously a good businessman, and he had the looks.

Other than that, great comparison and some home truths to boot.

Moved to "Come Together".

[LiLi317]

That Was A Nice Read Thanx 4 Sharing

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Originally Posted by Marni

Elvis- he DID have talent and was obviousl a good businessman

Col Tom Parker was the good businessman, Elvis was the lackey. Parker used Elvis and had him on all sorts of drugs. Very sad.

[Marni]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Incorporated

Col Tom Parker was the good businessman, Elvis was the lackey. Parker used Elvis and had him on all sorts of drugs. Very sad.

I see... but Elvis couldn't have built an empire like that without any business sense- I mean even Brit and JT are "manufactured pop stars" (and so were the J5 and most Motown stars in a way- they had everything done for them in the beginning) and now they have gone onto build their "brand" and have become their own producers, tour directors etc. I guess what I am saying is that after a while, Elvis must have picked up on things- in the same way Michael did.

I don't know a lot about Elvis (that's obvious) but I just can't help but think that he must have known what he was doing after a while... and I still stand by my statement that he did have talent.

But I definitely agree with most of the article- even non-fans of Michael or people who actually hate MJ can't deny that MJ has out of this world talent.

Michael was always a far better businessman and worked far harder than Elvis as well.

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Originally Posted by Marni

I see... but Elvis couldn't have built an empire like that without any business sense- I mean even Brit and JT are "manufactured pop stars" (and so were the J5 and most Motown stars in a way- they had everything done for them in the beginning) and now they have gone onto build their "brand" and have become their own producers, tour directors etc. I guess what I am saying is that after a while, Elvis must have picked up on things- in the same way Michael did.

I don't know a lot about Elvis (that's obvious) but I just can't help but think that he must have known what he was doing after a while... and I still stand by my statement that he did have talent.

But I definitely agree with most of the article- even non-fans of Michael or people who actually hate MJ can't deny that MJ has out of this world talent.

Michael was always a far better businessman and worked far harder than Elvis as well.

Im not questioning whether Elvis had talent because he did obviously. However when it came to business Elvis wasnt that good. Evidence of that is that Elvis was paying Tom Parker 50% of his earning when he died.

[Marni]

^ I see. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I should do more research on Elvis.

[EssenceOfMagic]

I reckon Elvis was better looking than Michael i his prime...

I dunno about talent but Elvis is a bigger icon in popular culture imo.

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Michael is a better businessman than basically most.