You got to hear the original version of Michael's TII.

aahhhhhhhhh
I missed it!

I've so wanted to hear the original...hope someone has 'caught' it for us!

It was pretty much the same, it just had alot of hiccupsand yeah's for background vocals, but his arrangement was a tad different but still it sounded alot like the one we've all heard, but this version is still deffinatly worth a listen.

arrangement was a tad different?
Oh lord I have to hear this.... I wish they hadn't even messed with it. :(

arrangement was a tad different?
Oh lord I have to hear this.... I wish they hadn't even messed with it. :(well it's kind of hard to explain, his arrangement was still pretty much the same just...well yea i guess a tad different, i'd upload it to youtube but it's on my tv on my DVR and i'm stupid and don't know how to upload it lmao

here it is....the original version is wayy worse than the album version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfRznr_32HQ

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Thank you for the link! Hmmm. Anka said the 'new' version used the original vocals and piano. They should have kept the hiccups!

Thanks 4 posting those guys, cause i can't lol

Was Anka an ******* about the song being released? Like it was Sony who released it so did he say anything negative about MJ?

I can' watch I"m in class

That interview doesn't sit well with me...

^^oh Lord.. if it doesn't sit well with you, it probably won't with me either.
But let me go watch and see..

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Okay wait a minute- something is missing there. He obviously did more talking than that--- the 2nd video is showing him "finishing up" some story he'd been telling.

I'm with krystikel, I don't like it if he went on the view talking about Michael STEALING the tapes from him- which it appears he was talking about. What else is/could he be talking about Michael asking "I hope you aren't still mad"? ugh

ps. I don't understand the 50/50 business either. Whenever someone else cowrote a song with Michael that went on his albums- did they get 50% of everything? If so, that doesn't seem fair... Michael's singing it/etc. Or is he talking about 50% that he would normally get just like any other cowriter of a song on any MJ album?

plus I'm so annoyed that NO ONE (besides the people who wrote For the record) seems to be acknowledging that he actually copyrighted the song This Is It.. they are all just acting like it's I Never Heard -exactly.. and it's not. Did Michael actually pull a sly one by changing the words up a bit, keeping his demo and getting it copyrighted under another name of the song?

Paul makes himself sound like an ******* in the interview. Couldn't he have waited untill all the fuss around this song died down, he's not exactly going to make much money now is he?

From everything you guys are saying I dont even wanna watch it..

Anka is wrong: The second version is a different track--different vocals and different piano. Sounds like a very early demo.

I saw on the canteen telly ...but as usual the voice was off...so I have no clue what he said...

thankyou ver much for the link!

It doesn't sound the same to me, especially when he sings "I feel grand".
But maybe the instrumentation is drowning some of the vocals.

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Thanks for the video. I'm glad he made it clear it wasn't Michael's fault.

That interview doesn't sit well with me...

Why is that krystikel?

The interview was respectful and very pleasant, he was nothing but respectful of MJ. He did relay a story about MJ that may have portrayed MJ as mischievous or even sneaky, but that was MJ's actions! I've be interested to hear which element of it you found distasteful.

Hmm, we may see it as mischievious or sneaky- but others won't.
Now that I've head the whole thing- I still think he's LYING.
Someone may have taken those tapes and they got returned to him- I don't think he'd lie about something that people still living (ie: their mutual lawyers at that time) could argue is a lie- but he flat out says that once they were taken, and before they were returned, that Michael "copied" those and put those away.

I really don't believe that. I don't know- maybe I'm wrong. But it's suspect that the tapes do sound different, that I Never Heard has different words than the TII demo tape, and that MJ had TII copyrighted with himself as writer- I believe dated BEFORE I Never Heard was copyrighted with them as cowriters. I still say I think MJ originally wrote TII with different words than I Never Heard, complete with demo-mumblings/etc. (didn't have the words yet- and he WOULD HAVE THE WORDS ALREADY if Anka had really written this and just had Michael do the vocals, as he's stated on other videos seen previously on TMZ) - and then later collaberated on the song with Anka which produced "I Never Heard" with them both credited as cowriters.

I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong- but MJ isn't here to defend himself and since things were handled so amicably and professionally, as Anka states himself, I don't think he needs to keep repeating this "stole my tapes and copied them" mess. :(

I think that was a decent interview and Anka seems a nice guy :) he praised mike as a great, up there with frank Sinatra etc :cool: i think mikes new rendition of TII is the better of the two :yes: and we do at least know it has recent vocals :)

^^true, he did say a lot of positive- I just don't think he needs to keep telling the story about tapes stolen and copied by Michael. :(

Why is that krystikel?

The interview was respectful and very pleasant, he was nothing but respectful of MJ. He did relay a story about MJ that may have portrayed MJ as mischievous or even sneaky, but that was MJ's actions! I've be interested to hear which element of it you found distasteful.

It bothers me that he sees it necessary to keep pointing out that the tapes were "stolen", but then he turns around and paints Michael as someone great. On top of that, why the heck is he complaining about it NOW, when he's going to make a small fortune off it? If he and Michael settled things between themselves years ago, which he said they did, then there is NO need for it to be brought up now - especially when Mike isn't here to tell his side of things. That's what bothers me. To summarize what he said: "He's a thief! He's a great person! We settled this years ago! I'm getting 50% of the royalties!" Give me a break.

^^co-signs!!!!!!

I only caught a glimps of it. I'm glad he cleared some things. Very interesting.

This is the most positive interview with Paul Anka I've seen on this issue. He made it clear in this one that the tapes were taken illegally and then returned. In that first interview he did, he said that Michael stole the tapes from the studio and he had a real angry tone, like was really upset this whole thing happened.

But you have to give the guy credit - he did write this song with Michael. And Sony tried to play it off as a new Michael Jackson song when in fact its an old Michael Jackson/Paul Anka song.

yeah, except that he added that Michael made "copies" of the tape... and I'm not sure I believe that based on the things I've posted about already.

Yeah and you make a lot of good points. I agree on you with pretty much everything. Especially that the tapes don't sound anything alike haha. I just think that if Michael did take the tapes and copied them, so what? He still had partial rights, didn't he? Anka said he wanted the tapes there so he could finish working on the song. Maybe he is being a bit misleading in saying Michael stole the tapes, because I couldn't see that happening. But I could see someone taking them for Michael, which Anka never clarified.

Exactly. I agree.
Tapes don't sound the same (+ everything else I already said, don't want to type again LOL)
When the tapes were taken- I'm fairly positive it wasn't Michael who physically did it and honestly we don't even know if he KNEW about it until Anka asked for them back.

anka might not know that for sure either- but he's making it sound like Michael had them take the tapes, copied them, and only returned them when Anka was "almost" having to take legal action (as he's stated several times now- including on the view) -- and then goes on to make it like Michael KNEW he did something wrong with that stupid mimicking Michael (rolling my eyes at you Anka) saying "are you still mad at me??"

*slaps Anka*

Listen dude.. stop repeating that story about a man who can't defend himself. Just say we did a song together, the estate/etc. found the tape and didn't realize we both wrote it (which I'm not even sure that is true...) but it's all good now and then pat yourself on the back for all the money you're gonna make. STOP with this stealing/copying tapes stuff. It's only making me not want to buy this cd set. I will, but I'll be gritting my teeth when I do it- because of you Anka. jerk

You guys are just wearing MJ tinted specs. Zip, let's face it - you don't accept Anka's version of events based on the sole fact that you love MJ. You weren't there and you know absolutely nothing about what went on during those sessions, you're merely taking MJ's side because you're a fan.

It reminds me of the absolute oafs that jump into any thread RE: a lawsuit against MJ, and go "another vulture... why can't they leave him be?" before and after his death, regardless of the facts. Embarrassing and naive pish. Anka has said nothing wrong, and the fact that you don't like him talking about something MJ did means that actually, MJ shouldn't have done it in the first place.

You guys are just wearing MJ tinted specs. Zip, let's face it - you don't accept Anka's version of events based on the sole fact that you love MJ. You weren't there and you know absolutely nothing about what went on during those sessions, you're merely taking MJ's side because you're a fan.

It reminds me of the absolute oafs that jump into any thread RE: a lawsuit against MJ, and go "another vulture... why can't they leave him be?" before and after his death, regardless of the facts. Embarrassing and naive pish. Anka has said nothing wrong, and the fact that you don't like him talking about something MJ did means that actually, MJ shouldn't have done it in the first place.

Um, excuse me. That is not true!
I did not just deny accepting Anka's version simply because I'm an MJ fan. When I heard what he was saying- I did all that I could to see if that was true or not. The information I came up with doesn't jive with what he's saying. That's all. THAT'S when I started having a problem with Anka.

Not to mention yes, I do have issues with anyone who is gonna make a killing off a song yet STILL insists on spreading this story (true or not, it's not necessary!) about someone who is deceased and can't defend himself. It's my opinion only a jerk would do that, and I'm entitled to that opinion, without you devaluing my opinion stating it's only because I'm an MJ fan. I'd feel that way about anyone, not just MJ.

You're right, I wasn't there.. never said I was.
But sometimes I wonder why you're even on this board because all you do is seem to try to tear down MJ -and his fans- if anyone is taking sides "just because" without looking at the facts or even trying to find out other info -but instead just taking the word of someone who says something against MJ- it's YOU!

Ps. it's rude to say I remind you of "oafs"- don't think I didn't notice that sly way of calling me an oaf.

It's not that I am wearing MJ tinted specs. You're right, I wasn't there. Neither was Zip. Neither were YOU. How do you know MJ was the one who took the tape? How do you know he was the one who copied it? We don't know. And that "we" includes you. We have Anka's "word" and nothing else. I want proof. Show me hard proof that it was Mike who did those things and then I will say "Ok, so Mike did something he shouldn't have done." But even then I'd think it rotten for Anka to go on and on about it one minute and then turn around and say what a great guy Michael was. If anything he should be thankful Mike had a copy of the song - look what he's gaining from it!

Yeah, the thing is when Michael does a collaboration he takes the tapes. No one else minded - not even the Bee Gees. Anka is the only one who appears to have turned that round - it was a collaboration. This is how MJ's worked for years - sometimes someone works on a song and feel it's incomplete, but they ask MJ to help out, so he takes the tapes home so he could listen to what they had done before adding his own stuff.

That happened with the Bee Gees on Eaten Alive. I'm sure that was also the case with Anka. Funny how Anka doesn't seem to have any problem with this style of collaboration over the OTHER song they co-wrote together! ;)

^that. :) well put.

But sometimes I wonder why you're even on this board because all you do is seem to try to tear down MJ -and his fans- if anyone is taking sides "just because" without looking at the facts or even trying to find out other info -but instead just taking the word of someone who says something against MJ- it's YOU!

It doesn't take much to send some people on this board into spirals of confusion.

I'm not saying Anka is correct, I'm merely asking how you know he's wrong. Krystikel, this also applies to you - I don't have to prove MJ "stole" the tapes, because all I'm taking issue with is the fact that you automatically seem to reject the idea that it's possible. I'm not categorically saying he DID. In fact I genuinely couldn't care less if MJ took the tapes, I think he's perfectly entitled to have copies of them for reasons as PG described. I do suspect what Anka says is basically true, but I don't have any evidence. I'm not rejecting someone's version of events, whereas you guys are. That really requires some kind of proof.

Much more importantly, however - Zip, I don't know where you're getting this opinion from, but I am almost never negative towards MJ. Even here, I'm not taking Anka's side, I'm just pointing out that it's so predictable to see people protest his comments almost blindly. That's a very surprising allegation you've made there, so please do me the courtesy of pointing out where I have been unreasonably negative about MJ. I'd be stunned if you succeed, I am a huge admirer of MJ's music and his performances.

We have Anka's "word" and nothing else. I want proof. Show me hard proof that it was Mike who did those things and then I will say "Ok, so Mike did something he shouldn't have done."

Krystikel, this also applies to you - I don't have to prove MJ "stole" the tapes, because all I'm taking issue with is the fact that you automatically seem to reject the idea that it's possible.

Hm. Funny. Did you even bother to read what I had posted?? Check the part of my prior post in bold, and then the part of your post in bold. If you had bothered to read and comprehend what I said then you'd have known that I didn't reject the idea of it being possible. There is no "fact" of my doing any such thing. I just want hard proof that Anka's complete story is indeed true. Until then, I don't know either way, and it doesn't change my opinion that I think Anka is being a jerk in some of the things he's said.

Sometimes I think that you, FunkyMunky, intentionally try to rile people up on here. You seem to like to argue. I find that annoying. My opinion. I'm done with this conversation.

honestly, i didnt mind this interview..and i really dont understand why some people are being so negative towards Anka. He wasnt going on and on about it, he simply told a story, he never said it was undoubtedly michael that stole the tapes, he said it could have been one of his people or something like that...and he laughed about it, he wasnt angry...he praised Michael in this interview!
and i really think he does have a right to some royalties from this song...obviously This Is It is basically I Never Heard...whether some lyrics have been changed or not, its essentially the same song..which Anka co-wrote! why should he not get any credit for that?

Now, just to be clear, I'm not saying i believe this story, im not saying i dont believe it...in all honesty, i couldnt really care, its a story that didnt even really seem harmful, he was in an interview about the song, stated what (according to him) happeneda very long time ago, said it was resolved, the end, had a laugh about it. No big deal.

I don't care if he gets royalties or not- but repeating this "story" everywhere everytime he's interviewed IS going on and on about it. And it just wasn't necessary. Also he did say he wasn't sure that it was even Michael that took them- BUT then he proceeded to state that Michael made a copy of HIS (anka's) tapes and then did the little mimicking Michael part- the next time they met up years later saying Michael said "are you still mad at me?"
He definitely implied Michael did something wrong.. :( And it's just not necessary to keep repeating that.

I never said he shouldn't get anything for something he supposedly co-wrote... (I'm still undecided on whether it was Michael's song that was changed later when collaberating with Anka--- nothing has been proven to my satisfaction either way)- THAT doesn't bother me at all. I just didn't like the way he handled this in the beginning on TMZ running his mouth about how HE wrote it (didn't say they both did) and how Michael stole his tapes, etc. and then continues to discuss it everytime the subject comes on his "rounds" on tv/etc. now. *rolling my eyes* I want to say SHUT UP! You're gonna be making money- half- and you wouldn't even BE on that damn view if it wasn't for this happening so stop badmouthing MJ when he can't defend himself! :(

It doesn't take much to send some people on this board into spirals of confusion.

I'm not saying Anka is correct, I'm merely asking how you know he's wrong. Krystikel, this also applies to you - I don't have to prove MJ "stole" the tapes, because all I'm taking issue with is the fact that you automatically seem to reject the idea that it's possible. I'm not categorically saying he DID. In fact I genuinely couldn't care less if MJ took the tapes, I think he's perfectly entitled to have copies of them for reasons as PG described. I do suspect what Anka says is basically true, but I don't have any evidence. I'm not rejecting someone's version of events, whereas you guys are. That really requires some kind of proof.

Much more importantly, however - Zip, I don't know where you're getting this opinion from, but I am almost never negative towards MJ. Even here, I'm not taking Anka's side, I'm just pointing out that it's so predictable to see people protest his comments almost blindly. That's a very surprising allegation you've made there, so please do me the courtesy of pointing out where I have been unreasonably negative about MJ. I'd be stunned if you succeed, I am a huge admirer of MJ's music and his performances.

I was not the least bit confused.
Please note, just because you say something doesn't make it so. That would include calling me an oaf, saying I'm confused, etc. Notice also how I don't have to try to insult your intelligence to discuss this with you. I willl say that I've about had it up to HERE you constantly going around insulting others with your snide remarks and thinking YOU know it all. You don't. I'm sorry to be the one to have to break that to you.

I have already explained I did not just "automatically reject the idea that it's possible" - so perhaps you're the one that's confused. Or maybe you just didn't really read my post. I dunno. *shrugs*

well let's see- for one you ADMIT you have any evidence that what Anka is saying true- yet have completely ignored any evidence that implies what he's saying may not be completely 100% true... and stating that anyone who doesn't blindly agree with Anka's side of the story must be just another "oaf" MJ fan. For two, you are constantly insisting that MJ is miming during rehearsals- when all you're hearing is what the producers put together for trailers- which can be altered, edited, vocals put on that weren't there before, AFTER he died on top of those videos of rehearsals- and refuse to listen to reason about that. You're just sure he's miming and repeatedly and persistently try to shove that down people's throats- never even for an instant considering that maybe you aren't always right about everything- especially since you weren't THERE to know if he mimed "at the time" or not.

We may just disagree with the definition of "unreasonably negative" in this case- and you know what, funkymunky? It's sometimes okay to disagree- without trying to shove your opinion down other's throats and if that doesn't work- then just call them oafs, or MJ fans who just blindly think that MJ can do no wrong, or say they must be confused, etc. It's okay to just sometimes disagree, dear. The whole world can't agree on every point all the time- and you are not always right either. But go ahead and keep on thinking you are... whatever floats your boat. :)

The version he presented is NOT the version of "This Is It" that was released.
It's not. WTF??

^^ yeah thats true, its not the same recording..but it is essentially the same song. As is the song on saphire's album. that was the point i was trying to make...(if this was directed at me :unsure:)